Triple Pane windows
Sorry posted this in the wrong board first time. Last night we had a guy come into our home from NES. He spoke about these great Triple Pain windows that they ashure me in writing will save me 50% on my heating bill. Now the windows do sound nice, and I know from reading in This Old house and watching Michael Holligan that they do work like he says. However to replace 9 windows and a sliding glass door in my house it was going to cost $13,000.00. I also didn't like the fact that he was directing his attention to my wife (even though she handles the money). The look on her face was that she didnt' want to do it, but was being presured into saying yes. I spoke up and basically told the guy NO. I figured if they were a good deal and we could afford it, we could call the company and order them. The issue I have is he kept inforcing the fact that he could save us 50% on our heating bill, and how much the heat costs would go up if we didn't do this. That was his main sticking point. He also kept speaking bad about Anderson windows and all the other window companies out there that you could pick up at Home Depot or a building supply company Now I ask you. Are these window really that much better? Doesn't every company that sells windows make at least a double pain window with some sort of gas in between the pains? Typical high pressure sales BS.....9 decent windows and a replacement slider ought to run in the $4000 or less range.....sorta depends on the window size, but a typical 36x54 with LowE glass and argon will run in the $200 range....you can get a decent slider for $700-800, so the actually material costs are in the $2500 range, add 1G for labor to install and some profit on the job and you're in the 4 g range.... Don't know about tripple on the door, but to add it to about any vinyl window is $25 or so.... and I'd only do it if you live in a cold enough climate to justify the return....which YOU may..... Go to Blockbuster Video Store....rent Tinmen with Danny Devito as an aluminum siding saleman.......it's a hoot and OUGHT to be required viewing before you allow ANY home improvement salesman into your house. Thanks for the help. I knew there was something fishy about this guy. He asked how much we could afford to spend monthly to finance them. He gave us three options that started at $75.00. I was thinking more like 40 or $50.00. You knock $10,000.00 off the price of the windows and maybe I could afford them. Can you buy Triple pane or Double pane windows at Home Depot or a building Supply yard? labor won't be a problem. My father in law is a construction worker. My wife just entertaned this man to get free movie tickets. I live in the Buffalo New York area and it does get quit cold up here. First off is there really a gas called Kripton? Also is it any better than argon? I just felt like he was pulling my wife's leg when he said Kripton. Reminded me of Superman. Yep....there really is a krypton gas....atomic number 36 on the periodic table if I remember my high school chemistry right. One of the noble gases that are inert and won't combine with other elements......Now whether it's one bit better than argon, also one of the 6, as to insulative properties, I doubt it. Even argon is a questionable from what I read, but most companies throw it in with the LowE glass ( which IS good stuff ), so I guess it can't hurt. Probably a sales gimmick more than anything.....and now they're using superman gas, huh?......heck....only 4 more to go thru ....guess they'll have to start making up names after that....ahahahahaha Yes, you can get double and tripple pane glass anywhere replacments are sold.....in fact, you'd have a HARD time finding single pane anymore unless you're down in the ultra cheapo windows, like for unheated shed or basements.......and in your degree day area, tripple might be a good investment no more than it adds to the window.....I just don't push it here due the payback time. Installing isn't hard, but like anything, there are a few tricks.....read back thru some of the posts and pick up some tips....and have your FIL post questions if you has specific ones. Did you get the movie tickets that night ? If not, don't hold your breath waiting on 'em That's old siding salesguy trick #23....promise them a freebie to get in the door and then say you just ran out at the last house.....we'll send it to you..... Right.....and cows will fly. The bunch I used to install for gave away a cheap coffee maker......only I was always taking the dadgum $5 thing with me on the install.....I doubt they EVER gave one to someone that didn't buy. No on the movie tickets. We got a flyer to fill out. I told my wife to fill it out, but don't hold her breath. We didn't buy so we won't get the tickets. I told her. We had friends who were invited down to Florida for a weekend vacation and to look at time shares. All expenses paid. Well, when they didn't buy they were forced to pay for the trip themselves. Just fyi.. If you plan on shopping for your own windows, look for the National Fenestration Rating Council (NFRC). Most good quality windows will have their windows tested and rated. For different parts of the country there are different window types specific to the heating/cooling climates. Be sure that you buy ( and get! ) the proper window for your zone. NFRC' site address is www.nfrc.org NFRC label provides the information needed to make an informed decision on windows by rating the performance of the window, without having heavy sales tactics. Find the U-factor and SHGC for your area shop with this in mind. Do pay attention to the frame type...metal frames transfer heat, and on a low e window in the south the U-value will go from a good .35 to a not very good .60 Happy shopping. The demo guy also mentioned that his company had passed some sort of Manhattan testing. They claim it is a test whereby the apply 50 lbs of pressure to try to lift up the window for 3 minutes. They also claim (highly unlikely) that their windows are the only ones to pass. Has anyone else ever heard of this test? I watch many home improvement shows and my father-in-law is a general contractor and no one I talked to or listened to has ever mentioned it.
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